All right, welcome, everybody.

I'm here with esteemed guest, Ben Swan.

I first heard about Ben Swan around 2010, 2011, and he was doing some pretty groundbreaking

stuff back then. I remember being in Cincinnati.

I want to say you were maybe a Fox reporter in Cincinnati for a time. Yeah, I remember that.

And I remember, I think you were on Alex a few times back in the day, and you covered a lot of

information way ahead of most people. For example, my first time hearing about Epstein and that

operation was, I think, from you and some of the reports you did back in the day. So maybe we

could start with that because I've put a lot of time into Epstein especially, and you've done

some debates recently. I want to talk about the Middle East, too, and move into some of that as

well. But Ben, thank you for coming on.

What, how did you get on this on the topic of Epstein and make so many sort of groundbreaking

journalistic, you know, discoveries there?

Yeah. Jay, thanks for having me out, man. I'm a big fan of what you do.

So Epstein was interesting because I didn't know much about him.

And around, you know, 2013 really started learning more about who he was because of the plea deal that he had.

And information that was starting to come out about the sweetheart deal that he got, right?

And that sweetheart deal obviously included things like, you know, when he was serving his, I think, 18 months is all he got for his soliciting a minor for sex, which is crazy.

But anyways, when he was doing that, apparently he had a deal where he was on work release, which meant that he would only sleep in the prison and he would go home every day because he worked from home.

So he spent the whole day at his house. Then he would go back to the prison and he would have a security guard, his own private security, go with him.

And then he would sleep there and then he'd get out the next day and he'd go back for guard, his own private security, go with him, and then he would sleep

there, and then he'd get out the next day, and he'd go back for work to his house. And that was 18 months. And when I first heard about that, I was like, who is this guy? And why does he command so much power? And why does he command the ability to game the system? Maybe lots of people do, but in this case it was it was kind of shocking and so started

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