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I was watching this last night, the TPP USA Festival, Amfest, out in Where's at Phoenix?

And there was a pretty remarkable moment. I thought it was like a big deal.

Not everyone on staff agreed, but we'll put that to the side for now.

Ben Shapiro, speaking to the audience, gave this really kind of impassioned plea for the members there to more or less reject Nick Fuentes and Candice Owens to recommit themselves to the truth.

I thought him having to say that was kind of remarkable.

But it really felt like kind of, I don't know, I got like anxious watching it because it seemed

like half the audience was jeering and half the audience was, you know, hollering and approval. And then we just sort of waited

to see what the response would be. But I guess, Will, because you follow the stuff so much

more closely than basically anyone on earth. I don't know. Can you like, am I over reading it? Can you

sort of set it up, like how big a deal this actually was? No, I think it was a remarkable night. I mean, the conservative movement right now is having a sort of civil war, you know, and it's sort of, we can maybe break it down on two angles. One is what role white nationalists and anti-Semites like Nick Fuentes should have in the party prompted by Tucker Carlson, kind of inviting him in.

And the other is Candace Owens, who's also an anti-Semite, but specifically her conspiracy theory is about the murder of Charlie Kirk.

So this conference is a celebration of Charlie Kirk and sort of in his widow, Erica Kirk, is really at the center of it.

And, you know, Ben Shapiro gets up there and he

starts calling out specific people like Tucker Carlson or Megan Kelly, who he feels are basically

letting all of these, these negative elements, these demons into the party. Yeah, but I guess even just

like the idea, like they're having a debate over what role anti-Semites and what National

should have in the party. I mean, like, just step back for a second. What do we? Why is this a debate? It's crazy. And, you know, it was striking to me. I mean, Charlie Kirk, he was Nick Fuentes arch enemy. I mean, he did so much. He would kick him out when he showed up to Turning Point USA conferences. If anyone in Turning Point USA was affiliated with Nick Fuentes, even in very minor ways, they would be kicked out of the group.

And so suddenly you have, it hasn't even been a year. It's been three months since the murder.

Suddenly, the big debate at Charlie Kirk's conference is how much do we let Nick Fuentes and his really bigoted ideas into the party. And you could tell, you know, it was striking to me that the audience was, I would say, pretty pro-Fuentes, at least a good segment of it. I mean, when people would bring up, you know, we got to keep Nick Fuentes out or whatever, they'd get booed or kind of comedian Russell Brand said, well, maybe we should debate Nick Fuentes. People said, yeah. So, I mean, I think it's a sign that really kind of comedian Russell Brand said, well, maybe we should debate Nick Puente's. It was like, yeah. So, I mean, I think it's a sign that really kind of what Charlie Kirk created is really slipping out of what he imagined. What did you make of Shapiro deciding to use this platform for this purpose? I mean, I thought it was a bold move. I mean, I think he's been feuding with a lot of these people pretty openly, particularly in the case of Tucker Carlson. I mean, a lot of this comes down to, you know, U.S. support for Israel. Tucker Carlson has been really aligned with Qatar lately. I mean, he's been saying, you know, maybe we should be, Qatar should be our main ally in the Middle East. And so they've been clashing over that. But I thought it was

really bold, particularly on the first night, which is, you know, so focused around Charlie Kirk, again, his widows spoke before Shapiro, then to get up there and say, you know, it's kind of like a, like a family meeting where there's been a lot of, you know, text messages flying back and forth. and then you have Thanksgiving dinner and then it's time to,

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