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Search for She's on the Money Now wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host Tim Miller.

Delighted to welcome, I think a first time guest.

He was a speechwriter and deputy national security advisor under President Obama.

He was deeply involved with the Iran nuclear deal.

He's now a contributor to MSNBC, co-host of Pons Save the World and author of After

the Fall, Being American in the World We've Made, it's Ben Rhodes.

What's up, man?

Hey, Tim.

Yeah, first time.

First time, long time.

Okay, good.

I'm pumped.

Yeah, I'm pumped. Yeah, I'm pumped. And hopefully you've listened to Tommy Vitor episode so you know what's

going to come for you at the very end of the pod. I have a special segment for Worldos.

There were four reasons. I wanted to get you on the pod and the last one is hilarious.

So I'm just going to go through them really quick. Number one, your book is Bill Crystal adjacent.

And we're going to get to that. I know that you don't like to accept that but it's true number two i am a world though oh well yeah and pod save the world and shield

of the republic are my napping podcasts and so i appreciate that so i have you in my ear as i'm kind of waking up

from naps and uh a genuine compliment unlike most of the people in the blob during the Trump era,

you've spoken like an actual human about how awful this stuff is rather than Diplos speak.

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