Hello, welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We've got a doubleheader for you today in segment two teen heartthrob, Ben McKenzie, aka Ryan Atwood,

has a new movie out about the crypto and how it's a big scam. And it seems like he was pretty

prescient on that front, given what's happening in the White House. That's a really fun conversation.

Stick around for that. But first up, she was White House Deputy Press Secretary in Trump's first term. But, you know, she did the right thing at the end. And we love that for and she joined us at the bulwark. Thank God, doing TikTok videos. You're not following us on TikTok. What are you doing? Follow us on TikTok as well. She's doing some other stuff and it's been overdue for

to join me on the podcast. It's my girl Sarah Matthews. How you doing? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. All right. Let's do it. We got some news items that we want to run through. But before we do that, I'm just curious if we're at like, are we at the regret stage yet? Whenever I go on shows, people are like, what are people saying? What are the MAGA people saying? I'm like, none of them

talk to me anymore, people are like, what are people saying?

What are the MAGA people saying? I'm like, none of them talk to me anymore. I was like, it's been 10 years since I was a Republican. It's relatively more recently for you. You're in D.C. You see these people every once in a while. Does anybody, are you getting any whispers yet? I feel like that's a good barometer for how bad things get

when Sarah Matthews starts to get some whispers

that people are you getting any whispers yet? I feel like that's a good barometer for how bad things get when Sarah Matthews starts to get some whispers that people are like, boy, this is rough. No, that's a good point. I definitely still have connections within the Trump administration. And, um, and people will privately, you know, say things to me like, hey, just want you to know really big fan of everything you're doing and, like, support you privately. They're like, I'll never be able to like one of your videos, but just know that, like, everything you're saying, I agree with. And I think there's a lot of those people, too, who are now seeing everything that's playing out. And they're like, oh, yeah, this is, this is really bad. And,

you know, there's a difference, I think, between going and working in the first Trump administration

versus Trump 2.0. So a lot of the people that I do have connections with, they're a little bit

more disconnected from maybe like the immediate White House inner circle, you know, orbit. But I think that

there's a lot of people who are looking at everything that Trump's doing and they know that

shit is hitting the fan, whether it's price is going continuing to go up, Iran war, etc.

You haven't had a satisfying you are right conversation yet, though. Has anybody given you that?

Oh, definitely. There have definitely been some people that were like, yeah, how does it feel to watch everything that's playing out? I'm like, don't get me wrong. Like, of course, there's a little part of me that thinks internally. Of course, it feels good to be right. But like, I didn't want to be right about

all of this. I did. And that's one way that we're different. I don't want to be a modest or anything,

but it does feel like, as I survey the news that we're going to go to this morning, like that

the most extreme cringe version of never Trumpism seems like it was correct. Like whatever person you have in your

mind, you're like, this person like hates Trump so much that some of their takes are even a little

bit like, you know, make you wince a little bit because they've gone so far around the bend.

Like that person, whoever that person is in your mind, was like way more right

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