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Matt is having trouble connecting, but because Ben McIntyre is our special guest,

we can't waste his time because he'll have spies to go and check out, and that would be completely

the wrong thing. So maybe, halfway through this conversation, Matt will splutter onto the line.

Meantime, Ben McIntyre, hello, how are you, sir?

I'm very well, you just made me think what the spying in the age of social distancing

would be like.

I mean, I don't know how you do a sort of a brush contact which is where you have to hand a secret item to someone else without it being spotted.

You can't do that if you've got to stay a meter apart.

That's a very good point.

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