Welcome to the Advisory Opinions Podcast. This is David French with Sarah Isger. And this

might be our most unique podcast, Sarah. It just might be. Now, full disclosure, I was

in Northern California and could not join this interview, which I'm so upset about because

it is with Drumroll, please Sarah, who is it with? It's with Ben Foltz, you know, of Ben Foltz

five and the like rock star Ben Foltz. Yeah. So this is the value we deliver to you here

on the Advisory Opinions Podcast. We're going to deliver to you astrophysicists who explain

to us the possibility of alien visitation of the solar system. We're going to deliver

to you Olympic curling coaches. We're going to deliver to you rock stars or rock star singular.

So how the conversation go and then we'll we'll roll right into it, but I didn't get to

listen. How was it? So first of all, Ben, what is it now? Two years ago, wrote an awesome

autobiography memoir type thing called a Dream of Lightning Bugs. And he has a new podcast

called Lightning Bugs. So a you should check out his podcast because it's very cool. It's

it's sort of like our August, but like his whole podcast. So he's talking to people from music,

science, like everything in between to talk about creativity and what that means in their area.

And what their area says about what is creativity. So super cool. And so we decided to import

a little of that conversation into a.o. And about the law and what writing means and how you start

thinking about, you know, your brief or presenting an oral argument to the judge. And he wrote

this super Nito song. It's, you know, it's my second favorite, then-fold song about Rod Rosenstein

and the whole Russian investigation. And so I wanted to talk to him about what that process was.

I mean, he doesn't know anything about Rod or DOJ or what was going on in the Russian investigation.

And yet he wrote this song and the lyrics were so freaking impressive and cool and neat. And I will

admit that we when it came out, it was commissioned by the Washington Post. And when it came out,

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