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When that happens, when you have a brush with death like that, you don't know. Am I going to close my eyes and open them in the next world? You don't know. This becomes very relevant.

You know, all of a sudden the idea of heaven is not some ephemeral vague kind of idea that you think about maybe once in a while. It becomes the dominant thought in your mind.

And so I thought, you know, I believe based on the Bible as a Christian, what happens when we die? But I'm also a skeptic.

Well, that's Lee Strobel and he joins us again today on Focus on the Family. Your host is Focus President and author Jim Daly and I'm John Fuller.

You know, John Lee is so good at digging deeper, trying to find that treasure. And he did that as a journalist.

And in essence, he applied those very skills to at first to disprove the resurrection of Jesus, only to find that he was overwhelmed with the evidence for it.

And we heard that last time. If you miss that, get the download or get the app for your smartphone. It was really good. And you want to hear it.

And today we're going to continue that discussion related to his book, The Case for Heaven. And I'm telling you, I know someone's going out there going, Jim, you sound so excited about this. I am. And I'm animated because I think this is the whole Bolognax, sort of speak, you know, if we're going to just kind of get through the motions here on earth and not be enthusiastic about what's ahead of us getting to heaven, interacting with the Lord personally, hopefully being able to ask questions like, how do galaxies work? What was that one?

You know, my mind goes everywhere and I'm like a little child. I mean, I am looking forward to it. And I want you to be looking forward to it as well, not with fear and intrepidation, but trust and faithfulness like a child. He's our oba father. Let's go.

Go. Yeah. Well, our guest today is pretty compelling when it comes to the research he's found, Lee Strobel has been here a number of times. He serves as the founding director of the Lee Strobel Center for Evangelism and applied apologetics at Colorado Christian University.

He's a bestselling author and we're talking today about a book he's written called The Case for Heaven, a journalist investigates evidence for life after death. Stop by the show notes to find out more or give us a call.

800 the letter A in the word family. Lee, welcome back. Thank you, Jim. Thank you, John. I love it. And I love the story. And for those that didn't hear yesterday with Leslie, your wife coming to Christ first, coming home saying, well, guess what? I've become a Christian. You going? No.

And that did apply a little disruption into your marriage. Oh, man, no kidding. But you know, at the same time, I love the challenge that you put to people who aren't believers to say, well, just go disprove it or prove it for yourself. What if it's that?

You know, it's interesting comment I had. I was in Israel doing a trip with Ray Vanderlaun. And I remember talking to a person, a Jewish person who would help him set things up. Boaz. And I remember walking along the trail with him. I said, oh, as a Jewish person, he was not a Christian, not a believer. I said, what, what's missing in Jesus' resume?

And I remember, yeah. And he went, you know, I said, you know, goodness, kindness, love, mercy. I said, what for the Jewish people? I mean, what's not in the resume? Yeah. And he said, hmm, never had that question. It's a good question. Let me ask my wife tonight. So he went home. So the next morning, we're on the trail walking along. I said, Boaz, what'd your wife say? And he said, well, we're not saying he wasn't the Messiah. We're just saying as Jewish people, we got a high degree of skepticism. And we're not sure. I said, well, that, that's

a step in the right direction. So, you know, I just told him I said, I said, I said, I just hope, you know, after you do these tours a few times, maybe that light will come on. And again, it's just such an amazing thing. What, what is missing for that atheist or that nonbeliever in Jesus' resume that they need in there to prove that he was the Messiah?

And for me, as a journalist, a trained in law, you know, who is investigated history, you know, the nuts and bolts of history tell me that Jesus didn't just claim to be the Son of God.

He backed up that claim by returning from the dead. Yeah. You know, it's interesting when in John 10 verse 3 where Jesus says, I and the Father are one, the Greek word for one there is not masculine as neuter, which means Jesus was not saying I and the Father are the same person.

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