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I'm Dr. James Dobson, and I'm thrilled that you've joined us.

Well, welcome to Family Talk, the broadcast ministry of the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute.

I'm Roger Marsh, and today we're going to bring you a powerful conversation about faith, forgiveness, and God's redemptive power.

Our guest is missionary Steve Saint, and his testimony is one that Dr. Dobson held very dear.

Today's program begins with a conversation that I had with Dr. Dobson about our guest in his

incredible story. Let's listen in.

His name is Steve Saint, and he has dedicated his life to spreading the gospel of Jesus

Christ, and yet his life has been fraught with difficulties. He's the son of missionaries,

Nate and Marge Saint. His father was brutally murdered with four other men, including Jim

Elliott, in the jungles of Ecuador, while they were trying to bring the gospel to the Wadani tribe,

whom most people know is the Arka tribe.

Well, that's right, Dr. Dobson.

Most people would recognize that tragic story captured in the popular book and the movie called

End of the Spear.

Many years after that horrific incident, I remember hearing this so often when I was growing up,

the words of Jim Elliott found in his diary where he wrote this very profound statement

that he is no fool to give up what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.

Well, that's brilliant. It is a powerful concept of laying down our lives for the gospel and the eternal life that only

Jesus can offer. And that really was the view that these men had as they paid the ultimate price

for sharing that gospel. It's also the view of our guest today, as we're going to hear, Steve is no

stranger to suffering and loss and great faith.

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