Welcome back to the Epic Gardening Podcast, everyone.

Kevin Espiritu here, joined again by Arianna Hyapini, the founder of the birch rubber gardens.

She is an edible garden designer and a consultant and so, you know, I think this is just a life

thing. Arianna, for sure, and you can of course supply it in the garden as well, this idea of the

beginner's mind or always learning and never truly being an expert or mastering the craft.

And so, I'm sure you've got some interesting stories on how you've continued to learn in the

garden. I know I do. Yeah, I would love to hear your stories, too. You know, I like to say that

I'm a forever student of the garden. And I didn't invent these systems that I practice in my garden.

They come from my experience collecting what's worked for me over the years. I mean, even that

term forever student, I didn't make that up. So, when I'll share that insight with me and it fit

perfectly with me and my views of the garden. And so, I share that, excuse me. So, I share that

term with others in order to help them kind of understand what gardening really, kind of

what the whole range of gardening really is. We learn as we grow, you know, I don't think I

knew from the beginning that blueberries prefer acidic soil or, you know, which plants were more

heat tolerant than others or the range of life cycles of the pests in the garden. This is stuff

that I've collected this information over years of experience and just taking notes on that and

what works for me. And I think I've found, you know, I think I found my majority of setbacks in

the garden that come from weather variables and pests. But I'm always grateful for the opportunity

to learn something new as much as, you know, sometimes I'm sad that I lost a plant or that something

didn't work out the way I had hoped or planned for. I think it's the silver lining that were

offered as gardeners every, you know, every hurdle presented to us. I think it's important to

remember that when you're getting into gardening. Yeah. Yeah, I think the way I've thought about it is

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