Hello and welcome to Radical Kander, a podcast from Panoply and Gretchen Rubin's

Oddward Project about how not to hate the boss you have or be the boss you hate. I'm Kim Scott,

co-founder of Canter Inc., former executive at Google and Apple, and CEO coach at Twitter,

Qualtricks, and a bunch of other great companies.

And I'm Russ Larraway, also co-founder of Candor Inc.

and career-long operational manager across the Marines, Google, and Twitter.

So as you all know, we've been talking through our episodes about being a better boss and working better with

the boss you have. But today we want to talk about deciding whether you want to be the boss,

whether management is a right thing for you. Maybe you're thinking about becoming a manager.

Maybe you are the boss, but you're wondering if that's actually what you want to be. In today's episode, we'll share a story about making

the decision that management might not be the right fit. We'll talk about some ways to decide

whether management is right for you. And we'll wrap up with the candor checklist, our practical, tangible tips for you.

Let's get into it.

We're really excited to have with us on the show today, one of our investors, Hunter Walk from Homebrew.

For a little bit of background, Hunter spent some time at Second Life in a product role there.

He was also one of the great product leaders at Google

and at YouTube specifically. And most recently, he started a super successful early stage

investment venture capital firm called Homebrew. Hunter, thank you so much for being here.

Thanks so much for having me. Hunter, you've had a really interesting career

path, and I think you've struggled with something that a lot of us have struggled with. The

question of whether or not management is right for you. So going back in the past, you had become

a really important product leader at Google. You're managing 40 people, which is huge

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