Behind the Screens: Inside the mind of a hacker

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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🗓️ 16 June 2023

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Our view of hackers has been warped by movie portrayals of hoodie-wearing computer whizzes. But what are they really like? These keyboard bashers have uncovered some of the world's darkest secrets – and even come close to destroying the internet. But why do they do it? Scott Shapiro searches for answers in his new book Fancy Bear Goes Phishing: The Dark History of the Information Age, in Five Extraordinary Hacks. He joins Dorian Lynskey in The Bunker. “The hackers that I’ve spoken to, they’re by and large normal, psychologically speaking.” – Scott Shapiro. “Any time there’s a hack, people say “It’s a nation-state, it’s Russia” it’s a reflex.” – Scott Shapiro. “People don't like to talk about when they’ve been hacked, because it’s embarrassing.” – Scott Shapiro. “There are a lot of mistaken stereotypes about hackers, one is the romance of a lone wolf.” – Scott Shapiro. “Security analysts hate the word hacker.” – Scott Shapiro. www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Dorian Lynskey. Producer: Kasia Tomasiewicz Audio production: Simon Williams Music by Kenny Dickinson. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production Instagram | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:15.0	Scott is the Charles F Southmaid Professor of Law and Professor of Philosophy at Yale Law School
1:19.0	and the author and editor of a number of books about the law.
1:21.0	He's also the founding director of the Yale Cybersecurity Lab.
1:24.4	His interests come together in his acclaimed new book, Fancy Bear Goes Fishing,
1:28.0	the Dark History of the Information Age, in five extraordinary hacks.
1:31.6	Hi Scott, thanks for coming in.
1:33.0	Thank you so much for having me Dorian.
1:35.0	So I'm fascinated by what you say in the intro about your own history with computing where you're
1:39.3	like an early enthusiast in the late 80s.
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