Welcome to the New York Times

Popcast, your Justice for Ava,

of Music News and Criticism.

I'm your host, John Caramonica.

We're not going to play any music this week,

because this week we are talking about a very difficult subject

and one that we think requires a tremendous amount of attention with no distraction.

You may have read a few days ago a big investigative report by Joe Kosske Lianor Isaac about Ryan Adams in that piece.

They interviewed several people who say that Adams was emotionally abusive and sexually

manipulative and in least in one case participated in

sexual communications with a minor. So on this week's pop-gas we're going to talk with

Joe and Molina about their story about how it came together and

also about kind of the bigger picture issues that it brings up about how me too has

asserted itself and also not asserted itself in the music business and

and whether articles like this and stories like this are going to become more

common so I've got Joe Kaskorelli who's pop music reporter in the New York Times

Hey John.

Molina Rizic, Cultural reporter and also part of the Pulitzer Prize winning team for our workplace sexual harassment coverage last year.

Hey, Molina.

Hey there.

So guys, there's a tremendous amount of detail in this story,

but I want to talk a little bit about in the music business

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