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Behind the News: The Utopian Dreams of AI Moguls w/ Émile Torres

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Socialism, History, News, Left, Jacobin, Alternative, Socialist, Politics

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Émile Torres, who co-wrote an article with Timnit Gebru for First Monday about AI, discusses tech moguls’ dreams of transcending the merely human. Daniel Wortel-London, author of The Menace of Prosperity, looks at the fiscal history of NYC, and considers how we could do better than subsidizing the rich.

Behind the News, hosted by Doug Henwood, covers the worlds of economics and politics and their complex interactions, from the local to the global.

Transcript

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The

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The Hello and behind the news.

0:34.8

In these dark and turbulent times, behind the news remains rock-like in its solidity. Two guests, two segments. We'll hear from Emil Torres on the philosophy of the tech moguls and from Daniel Wartell London on the fiscal history of New York City. You may have watched some of the tech moguls, who it should be emphasized have a major beachhead in the Trump administration,

0:59.8

and wondered if they really care about human lives. In a sense, they don't. As my next guest,

1:05.7

Emil Torres argues, many of them look to a transhumanist future, where we pathetic sacks of flesh will be replaced by digital beings, endowed with superintelligence far greater than our wetware can support.

1:12.2

This helps explain their obsession with AI. It's at the core of their human extinctionist preferences.

1:17.6

Or more precisely, AGI, artificial general intelligence, one that can do far more than chat GPT's

1:23.8

regurgitation of plagiarized material. My first guest, Emil Taurus, is coined an acronym to

1:29.1

describe their philosophy, Tuscriol, which stands for transhumanism, extropianism,

1:33.9

singularism, cosmism, rationalism, effective altruism, and long-termism. That's a mouthful,

1:40.5

I admit. We'll talk about transhumanism in detail. The second two are basically

1:45.1

variations on it. So is cosmism, though with a colonizing space angle. We also talk about

1:50.6

rationalism in detail. Effective altruism, which crypto-fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried

1:55.7

made famous, holds that doing good has to be practical and efficient and not always self-sacrificing.

2:01.4

It makes sense under this doctrine to spend your life on Wall Street making lots of money

2:05.1

if you use it later in life to do good, though how that good is defined can be mysterious.

2:10.8

And long-termism, a topic that comes up but we don't get into detail about, is the doctrine

2:15.0

that what really matters is the perspective of millions of years,

2:18.4

so any suffering and death now is of no significance if it advances the transhumanist agenda.

2:23.6

Emil Torres, quoting their own bio, is a moral philosopher, intellectual historian and journalist

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whose work focuses on the ethics of emerging technologies, especially AI and human extinction.

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In 2023, with Dr. Timnit Gibru, they coined the acronym Tescriol to denote a constellation

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