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welcome to Behind the News. My name is Doug Henwood.

Two guests today, Ryan Grimm, DC Bureau Chief of the Intercept,

will talk about the fight between the establishment and

insurgents in the Democratic Party over the last three decades.

And then Jenny Brown reviews the history of abortion politics in the US, where we are now and how we could do better.

First, the Dembs, a party with a long history of stifling radicals within and without. In his book,

we've got people, published last May by Strong Armed Press. Ryan Grim, Washington Bureau Chief for The

Intercept, reviews the history of fights within the Democratic Party to push it to the left, and the establishment's efforts to squash them.

Is that establishment's power slipping? Here's Ryan Grimm with some answers.

We're now seeing, of course, this fight between establishment Democrats and

insurgents coming to a head as the primary season approaches, but you know this is a story with long, long roots, and you trace

it back at least as far as the Jackson campaign.

How did the Jackson campaign figure where we are today?

I mean, one of the fun things about that campaign is that it's close enough in time that so many of the people

who were involved there or kind of got their start there are now you know major players in in the in the fight today.

Like, Bernie Sanders was Burlington Mayor at the time

and was running for Congress

and was one of the only white elected officials

in the country who endorsed Jackson.

But Jackson damn near won.

The Washington establishment was in full-blown panic

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