The Oh, Hello and welcome to Behind the News. My name is Doug Henwood. Two segments

today. In the first Ben Tarnoff and Mora Wiegel will talk about their book

Voices from the Valley, a collection of interviews with tech workers.

And then Paul Street will look at the damaging legacy of Barack Obama, who bears no small responsibility

for Donald Trump.

First, tech workers are more precisely workers and

tech. Most civilians don't have much of a sense of what goes on inside Silicon Valley

firms big or small. Ben Tarnoff and Mora Wiegel are out with a book of interviews with workers who can talk about it from the inside and not just coders but also a cook and a massage therapist.

Tarnoff and Wigel are co-founders of Logic magazine and their book is called Voices from the Valley.

Tech workers talk about what they do and how they do it just out from Farris Traus and

Jauru.

Ben Tarnoff and Mora Wigel.

Before we start talking about the content of the book,

how do you suppose the pandemic and remote work have changed the world

that these folks are talking about?

I think quite dramatically.

It was funny because you know the weekend before the book came out we sort of like we're taking a walk and saying what is it you know how do we feel about this book now that it's out in the world in this other moment and it's you know it feels like a

emissive from a remote world the faraway world in a certain way the two big

things that jump to mind is that it's you know this class division or this cleavage there's among more

white collar or more high paid tech workers and contract or lower paid tech workers has been traumatized exacerbated by the fact that some folks can can work remotely and some can't as easily.

On the other hand there's a good chance that long-term remote work will put certain kinds of pressure on the full-time employees and technical employees as well make their jobs kind of precarious in new ways so it's dispersed everyone in

space which is an obstacle to organizing and solidarity in some senses but then

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