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welcome to Behind the News, my name is Doug Henwood.

Two complementary guests today.

Jody Dean will reflect in the storming of the capital and the nature and

extent of fascism in the US.

And Quinn Slobodion will talk about the Kverdanker, an odd collection of outside the box thinkers in Germany

who don't like the state pushing them around in an effort to control the Corona crisis.

The attack of the U.S. capital was a stunning event, the latest in a series of stunning events.

What's it all mean?

Was it a coup?

Is it a fascist movement?

With Trump as its fear? Here to meditate on these questions

is Jody Dean. Jody Dean teaches political science at Hobart and William Smith colleges in Geneva, New York. Her

latest book is Comrade, an essay on Political Belonging from Verso.

Jody Dean.

For the last four years, people have been obsessing over whether Trump is a fascist.

And then for the last week or so, people have been obsessing over what we saw last week was a coup or an attempted coup.

How important are these words? Do we really need to solve these problems? Do they add anything to our knowledge?

Earlier in the Trump years, like the first two, three, even four years,

when liberal Democrats were screaming about Trump as a fascist and authoritarian,

I have to say, Doug, I didn't find that convincing.

I thought of him more as clownish media people who appealed to folks desire to punish a

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