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Behind the News: Big-Tech War Profiteers w/ Susannah Glickman

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Socialism, History, News, Left, Jacobin, Alternative, Socialist, Politics

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Margaux MacColl, co-author of a series of articles in the SF Standard, discusses Zoomer tech bros. Susannah Glickman, who wrote a recent piece for the New York Review of Books, looks at the new arms makers who want to disrupt the legacy prime contractors.

Behind the News, hosted by Doug Henwood, covers the worlds of economics and politics and their complex interactions, from the local to the global.

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0:00.0

The

0:07.0

The Hello and welcome to behind the news. My name is Doug Henwood. In a world where all surviving

0:37.7

Verities, a mere handful at last count, have been questioned. This show offers the reassuring

0:42.6

certainty of two guests in two segments. Margo McCall will talk about the culture of the

0:47.9

Zumer Tech Bros and Susanna Glickman surveys the new merchants of death, the software warriors.

0:56.3

In a series of articles in the San Francisco Standard, Margo McCall and several of her colleagues, explore the culture of the latest

1:01.2

iteration of the tech bro, Zumer version, driven, ripped, nihilistic, doomy, and aiming to live

1:07.7

forever. They won't drink, but they shoot up mysterious Chinese peptides.

1:12.5

They think AI may kill us, but they want to make their first billion before it does.

1:17.3

To an old style, humanist like me, they seem bizarre and terrifying.

1:21.6

Here to tell the story is Margo McCall.

1:23.6

She's the standards tech and government reporter based in Washington.

1:27.3

Previously, she was a tech crunch covering venture capital and startups.

1:31.2

Margo McCall.

1:32.4

There's a new tech bro on the digital block.

1:34.6

They're not the socially awkward geeks of old.

1:36.9

What's the demographic profile?

1:38.8

How would you sketch the archetype?

1:40.3

Yeah.

1:40.8

I mean, we interviewed about two dozen of them.

1:43.7

I mean, they're ripped. They're working out all the time. They're taking biohacking to sort of new heights. And they're incredibly nihilistic. A lot of the guys I talk to were like, AGI is going to take our jobs. We have 10 years until nothing matters. This is your last chance to become a billionaire.

2:01.4

How male is this world? Very, very male. We purposely focused on the men just because

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