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Behind the News: Beyond Debates of Class vs. Identity w/ Nancy Fraser

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Politics, History, News

4.71.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Nancy Fraser goes beyond the class/identity disputes. Natalie Y. Moore, who wrote a recent article for Hammer and Hope and EHRP, looks at effects of federal layoffs on black women.

Behind the News, hosted by Doug Henwood, covers the worlds of economics and politics and their complex interactions, from the local to the global.

Transcript

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The

0:07.0

The Hello and welcome to Behind the News. My name is Doug Hinwood. America may be off track,

0:37.8

but not behind the news. Two guests, two segments. Nancy Fraser will talk about her work relating

0:43.1

class to other identity categories like race and gender, and then something of a practical

0:47.6

application of the theory. Journalist Natalie Wye Moore will talk about the harsh impact of

0:52.3

mass federal government layoffs and black women,

0:54.9

one of the weakest cohorts in the U.S. labor force. The class versus identity debates are at least

1:00.2

30 years old, and it often seems that we haven't gotten any closer to solving the problem

1:04.3

over the decades. Nancy Fraser, an emeritus professor of philosophy at the new school,

1:09.7

an entity that might not be long for this

1:11.5

world, at least in its present form, has been doing some of the most interesting work in this

1:16.0

field for a long time, and she's here to give us a peek into her work in progress. She argues

1:21.6

that it's impossible to separate class from other social categories like race and gender,

1:26.1

either analytically or politically.

1:28.4

In the interview, we talk about the hidden abode. This is a reference to a famous passage

1:32.9

in Marx's capital. Accompanied by Mr. Moneybags and by the possessor of labor power,

1:38.2

we therefore take leave for a time of this noisy sphere, that is of market exchange,

1:43.1

where everything takes place in the surface

1:44.9

and in the view of all men, and follow them both into the hidden abode of production,

1:49.3

on whose threshold, their stares is in the face, no admittance except on business.

1:54.4

Here we shall see not only how capital produces, but how capital is produced.

1:59.0

We shall at last force the secret of profit making.

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