Behind the Mask of Shame Part 2 - Grit, Shame, and Burnout

Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast

Education, Science, Health & Fitness, Medicine

4.8 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

A career in surgery has a profound impact on those who practice the craft. High rates of poor mental health are well described but incompletely understood. One potential mechanism for advancing our understanding of surgeon well-being is studying surgeons' emotional experiences. Shame, a self-conscious emotion reflecting how an individual feels about themselves, could be a particularly powerful lens. In this series on shame in surgery, we explore what we know about shame in surgery and what shame can tell us about learning and working as surgeons.

In this second episode, we talk with Dr. ElAbd and Dr. Zammit about their study examining the relationship between shame-based learning, grit, and burnout across surgical specialties. Their findings highlight how grit may both protect against burnout and mediate whether residents go on to shame others.

Host: Steven Thornton

Guests:
1. Rawan ElAbd (Plastic Surgery Resident, McGill University)
2. Dino Zammit (Assistant Professor of Plastic Surgery, McGill University)

Publications Discussed:
1. ElAbd R, Pu L, Esmonde-White C, ElHawary H, Vorstenbosch J, Zammit D. Association of Grit and Shame Based Learning on Burnout in Surgical Training: A Single Institution Analysis. J Surg Educ. 2025 Sep;82(9):103583. doi: 10.1016/j.jsurg.2025.103583. Epub 2025 Jun 27. PMID: 40580606.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40580606/

***Fellowship Application Link: https://forms.gle/QSUrR2GWHDZ1MmWC6

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0:00.0	Behind the Night, The Surgery Podcast, Relevant and Engaging Content to help you dominate the day. We want you want you, yes, you, to join the Behind the Knife team as a surgical education fellow.
0:39.9	We're looking for enterprising surgical residents to take the bull by the horns and build something new and exciting.
0:46.6	Fellows will benefit from ample support from the Behind the Knife team, including the use of our digital education platform, and access to all of our resources like
0:54.8	illustrators, video editing, AI tools, social media, and more.
0:59.7	Get your name out there and build your CV by being part of the number one surgery education
1:04.2	platform in the world. We're offering a two-year fellowship starting July 26 and ending in June 28.
1:12.4	Only residents beginning their two-year academic development time will be considered.
1:16.9	Check out the show notes for more information, including the application link.
1:20.4	All applications are due on April 20th.
1:23.7	Again, all applications are due by April 20th.
1:27.4	Now, get out there and dominate the day.
1:31.2	Hello, everyone. I'm Stephen Thornton, a surgery resident at Duke, and one of the Behind
1:37.2	the Knife surgical education research fellows. Today, I'm really excited to be bringing you a special
1:44.1	series on shame and surgery, with a particular focus on shame in surgical training.
1:52.6	First things first, what is shame?
1:56.4	Well, scholars conceptualize shame in a variety of ways.
2:00.7	One way to understand it is that it is the feeling
2:03.8	of being globally flawed, inadequate, or unworthy. In BTK language, it's when you feel like you're not the kind of person who dominates the day. Does that sound relatable? I wonder how many of you listening may have
2:21.5	felt this way about yourself while training in surgery or working as a surgeon.
2:30.9	So why talk about shame?
2:36.7	Surgeons forever change their patient's lives.
2:44.8	As we work to address the impact of illness, injury, and disability on a human body, we are changed too.
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