This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Bruske, Stacey Cole, and Todd Michaels.

Let's move on to another story here.

18-year-old Anna Kempner died on a cruise ship.

Her 16-year-old stepbrother is the suspect in the months since we've heard from grandparents saying,

everyone got along great parents describing

three teenagers as the three amigos but then you've got the ex-boyfriend the other stepbrother

people who were actually in that house day to day who were actually of that age describing

something very different, aggression,

tension, dynamic, the adults either didn't see or didn't want to see.

So who's telling the truth?

Psychotherapist, Yvonne Scott, is here to help us understand what is really going on and why kids

often see family dynamics in a very different way

than the adults around them. And that's a very interesting thing in this case, because you really

have three different perspectives being pushed out there right now. We saw the grandparents

and they're, oh, everybody gets along.

We don't say step grandkid. Everybody's, everybody's equal. Very rosy picture. I don't fault them.

Their grandparents are seeing it through their prism. And then you have the parents who we're seeing

in a custody hearing. This is how we're getting so much information

as this custody hearing, saying, oh, you know, they were the three amigos. They all got along great.

Well, who picked the room arrangements for the kids? Well, that was our travel agent. They didn't

allegedly necessarily talk to the kids, but they said that they did offer. They did say, hey, you know,

if you don't want to stay in here, you can go stay with grandma and grandpa in but they said that they did offer. They did say, hey, you know, if you don't want to

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