You said about sex education being a kind of stepping stone to want, and I really want to get to want.

Yeah.

How did want come about?

Like, what was your thinking and how did, how was it born?

It actually, in the first instance, wasn't my thinking at all.

It was my literary agent who had come across her mother's copy of My Secret Garden.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, so she had...

So let's talk about my secret garden.

For anybody that doesn't know what it is,

because I think actually they should all go and buy it.

Yeah.

If they haven't read it.

They've just republished it.

And that's thanks to you.

They're probably very happy about that.

So could you just explain what secret gardeners?

So Nancy Friday was an author in the 70s and she decided that she was going to put together, she was going to ask her friendship group and her community to write in sexual fantasies to her anonymously. And she would publish them under the name My Secret Garden.

And so it was, you know, a relatively small community cross-section of women, but there were

some really, really raw, moving, sexy, some dark, some beautiful, very powerful letters in the book that she published.

And it was a bestseller.

It was, you know, I'm sure it was banned in various places. But it was incredibly successful in Europe and in the States.

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