Hey, it's Liz Kelly and welcome to the Ringer podcast network. The Ringer is launching a new podcast

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Hey, welcome everybody to Behind the Billions.

I'm Brian Copleman and I'm David Levine.

Hey, let's get into this, David.

It's been fun for me seeing people react to these episodes online and comment all week

long on this, hasn't it?

Absolutely.

And, you know, this week's episode is a really fun one.

So happy to talk about it with you.

Me too.

We got a lot of stuff in this episode that we've been wanting to get in a while.

And we got the great Ben Mesrick, who is coming up at the end of this podcast.

We were thrilled to get Ben to be a part of the writer's

room for billions for season five. We both have been, each of us have been a huge fan of his work

for a long time. I mean, he's written such impactful books. The accidental billionaires

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