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Podcast Network or wherever you get your podcasts. For the person listening today, I really want to

hammer this home. When you talk about presence, like first of all, what does this mean?

And second of all, what changes in their life if they're able to master this?

You know, presence is how people are experiencing us. So I'll clarify too, this is virtual and in person.

You know, like a lot of things, in person, there's much more power. There's all these

different nuances of how we're experiencing each other. And experiencing one another means how we

are interacting, sharing space with one another. And so presence does include things like

communication and like a lot of other disciplines. You know, many people know sort of the arena of like executive presence, which is exactly that.

I'm parallel to executive presence, but executive presence deals with communication and a lot of different facets.

And the cross section that I work on, which is kind of the true starting line of the broader

beast that is our presence, is our physical presence.

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