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QAA Podcast

Becoming Candace (E335)

QAA Podcast

Julian Feeld, Travis View & Jake Rockatansky

News

4.54.4K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2025

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

There isn’t yet a tariff on conspiracist narratives. So former Daily Wire podcaster Candace Owens imported one from France. Which is why she now finds herself the subject of a serious lawsuit filed by the French President Emmanuel Macron and the First Lady Brigitte Macron. Owens used Instagram influencer aesthetics to recycle a 2021 theory for American audiences that was originally promoted by a French spiritual medium and spread through “Yellow Vest” and antivax networks. For some reason, Owens wasn’t satisfied with the genuinely odd history of the Macrons’ relationship (they met when Brigitte was married with children and Emmanuel was just 14, despite most American sources claiming they met when he was 15.) Instead she picked up the convoluted conspiracy theory that Brigitte is really her brother Jean-Michel Trogneux who became a trans woman and proceeded to assist with turning Emmanuel into an MKULTRA-controlled “Manchurian Candidate.” In Owen’s ludicrous tale, the Macrons then killed anyone who started asking questions about Brigitte’s past, Clinton-body-count style. But since this nonsense is powered by crude bigotry rather than any investigatory impulse, the evidence is unsurprisingly weak. Owens’ method of argumentation involves ignoring the fact that Jean-Michel Trogneux is clearly alive and a separate person, looking at real photos and declaring them fake, and birthday numerology. Travis, Jake, and Julian unpack Owens’ past, the history of the conspiracy theory, how she promoted it through the 8-part series “Becoming Brigitte,” and the lawsuit that now threatens her independent media empire. Subscribe for $5 a month to get all the premium episodes: https://www.patreon.com/qaa Editing by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (https://instagram.com/theyylivve / https://sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (https://pedrocorrea.com) https://qaapodcast.com QAA was known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast. /// We’ve launched a new podcast miniseries network: Cursed Media. The very first Cursed Media miniseries is Science in Transition. Science in Transition is an investigation into the intellectual origins of the contemporary right wing backlash against transgender acceptance. Through six deeply-researched episodes, hosts Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows unearth a bizarre coalition of well-meaning clinicians, aristocratic sexologists, militant feminists, right-wing culture warriors, headline-chasing journalists, and conservative politicians. Binge all six episodes of Science In Transition by subscribing through this link. www.cursedmedia.net/ Subscribers to Cursed Media get access to three new podcast series per year, plus every episode of QAA’s existing mini-series (properly organized!) ////

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Welcome to the QAA podcast episode 335, becoming Candice.

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As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Julian Field, and Travis View. On today's episode,

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we're going to cover the perils of listening to or caring about French people. Yes.

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This is broadly relevant because much of conspiracies culture in the United States

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originated in France.

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Like the whole idea that the Illuminati control world events began with the French

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Jesuit priest Augustine Borel.

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So he conceived this conspiracy theory like after going mad because of the French

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revolution. What do you mean going mad because of the French Revolution.

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What do you mean going mad because of the French Revolution?

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Yeah, how do you define going mad then?

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I mean, like, he was just so absolutely just in sense that he was thrown off from this royal order,

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that he came up with this, this elaborate sort of scheme that the Freemasons, the Illuminati, and these reading societies that were influenced by the Enlightenment were actually plotted the whole thing. Yeah, it's never their fault. So he was a little early for like Judeo-Bolshevik, but basically like kind of early iteration of that. Yes, yeah. That's, I mean, this is like much of like, you know, the, yeah, that'd be like, like reactionary

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conspiracies culture was basically just all formed in the aftermath of the French

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revolution.

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