John, I remember where we were in your truck. I remember the bend on the road right past the lake.

Yep. We were coming home from one of our earliest elkless elk hunts, which was the theme for us for lots of years, as you know.

And you were the first man that I intentionally brought this question to that I had been wrestling

with for so long.

And it was a question of how do we recover the ancient path?

What is the path to life?

What is the process for a man to become wholehearted?

And I remember you said, there are no shortcuts. That was the first thing that

you offered. There are no shortcuts. And I didn't even know at the time that's what I was looking for.

What I was really wanting was a shortcut to kind of happy, easy, meaningful life. You know, the shortcut to these core desires of get something

going, make a name for myself, make a little money, and you really pulled the rug out from

underneath me in a really loving way. And then I remember you turned in that conversation and said,

Morgan, just pause and look at the men that are older than you, men in their late 40s and 50s and 60s, and just ask the question, what's taking them out? And where have

they lost the way? And so that conversation began a process that now almost 20 years later

has led to this.

Friends, welcome to the Ransom Heart podcast.

Morgan Snyder, John Eldridge here with a really, really exciting episode.

I'm personally stoked to do this.

We've got some great stories to tell about a man's journey, about what it looks like to

become wholehearted, what it requires of a man to become wholehearted. Ladies, you're going to

love listening in on this, and you're going to want to share it with the guys in your world.

And fellows, if you've hung around with us

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