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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Becoming a conscious leader: Leading without fear, finding your life’s objective function, and getting better at vision and strategy | John Mark Nickels (Uber, Waymo, DoorDash)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Lenny Rachitsky

Technology, Business, Entrepreneurship

51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2024

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

JM Nickels is a Senior Director of Product Management at Uber. Previously, he was Head of Product for Commercialization at Waymo and led product teams at DoorDash. JM is also a coach and advisor focused on conscious leadership. In our conversation, we discuss:

• How to sharpen your vision and strategy skills

• What “conscious leadership” means and how to practice it

• Practical techniques for managing stress

• The power of soft skills and emotional intelligence in product leadership

• Lessons from working at Uber, Waymo, and DoorDash

• Keys to living a successful and fulfilling life

• Much more

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Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/becoming-a-conscious-leader-john-mark-nickels

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• Website: https://www.rhythmofbeing.com/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to JM

(02:02) Conscious leadership explained

(03:41) The power of soft skills

(07:34) Navigating Uber’s evolution

(12:41) Embracing emotions and inner work

(21:46) Crafting strategy and vision

(41:16) Balancing vision and execution

(46:13) Lessons from DoorDash, Uber, and Waymo

(52:32) The future of autonomous ride-hailing

(55:18) Contrarian corner: Embracing emotions in the workplace

(59:47) Keys to a fulfilling life

(01:04:45) Taking responsibility and agency

(01:07:29) Lightning round and final thoughts

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Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Get clear on your objective function and one way that I've gotten clear on is like trying to think about it from future me because like five years from now I'm not going to give a shit if I made the presentation slightly better.

0:11.0

I'm going to care a lot about what kind of relationship I have with my daughters.

0:14.6

And like that means that the next action, the next thing I do today and tomorrow, those will

0:20.0

translate into the relationship with her, right?

0:22.0

Not to be like morbid, but just again, most of us just aren't really tuned into an

0:26.2

awareness that our lives will come to an end.

0:29.0

We try to pretend like we're going to live forever and just not think about it.

0:32.6

And the horror of it is that we succeed, right?

0:34.6

We mostly manage to just go live our life and eat ice cream and go to work

0:39.8

and go on vacation and do what we do.

0:42.1

To me, an awareness and mindfulness that our lives will come to an end

0:45.8

punctuates reality in a way that requires me to rethink my priorities.

0:58.0

Today my guest is J.M. Nichols. J.M. has been a product leader at Weymo, Dordash, and Uber.

1:02.0

He's also an engineering manager at Groupon and before that an equity

1:05.4

trader at Getco. At Uber he built and launched the very first version of Uber Pool and then

1:11.1

went on to lead the team responsible for the infrastructure and algorithms

1:14.4

powering the economic and logistics brain behind Uber's matching and pricing systems.

1:19.2

At Door Dash, he was head of product for Door Dash Platform.

1:21.8

At Weimo, he led product for the commercialization of autonomous of team. This conversation is a unique and beautiful mixture of heart skills, soft skills, tactics, and

1:37.3

emotions.

1:38.3

I won't give away too much about the conversation, but this is a powerful one.

1:42.1

Tears are shed, stories are shared, and I am confident

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