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Trayvale, Anderson, thank y'all so much for joining us coming up on the show. We have a very special guest to dive into kind of a hot topics corner copia, if you will, about beauty and skin care. Stay tuned for that. But first, we have a, it's a past the popcorn. It's a recurring conversation that we end up having on this show because some of y'all, because I don't, I can't use that language no more.

There's a phrase in historically black phrases, also available for free order, coming out in September, that you can check out that I want to use here, but I'm not going to use here.

Well, just, I just use it now. I mean, you didn't, you didn't teed it up. No, no, go to the a segment. I really wanted you to use it, because I wasn't quite sure what you were talking about. But fine, I'm calling this past the popcorn. Portia Williams is a journalist.

Trayvale, Anderson exclaimed, we'll get into that in a moment.

Well, hold on now in recent weeks, there's been a conversation, hitting the trends, or as Sherry Shepherd, my college flooding the feeds, starting fights on podcasts like this one.

Trayvale and I see this story with completely different lenses. And we're going to argue about it. Oh, oh, oh, first, I have to take you way, way back, picture it, April 2021.

Los Angeles, actually, we can take it back further to, well, I mean, I can't remember the specific date, but it was like 2018 or 19, Trevelle and I hosted a prolific, preeminent and progressive panel.

You like all that. He's a writer. I do for me called what is a journalist and it was either 2018 or 19. I can't remember. And I couldn't find the link. So that's not important.

But we were wrestling with the expanding title of journalists and the many ways that it's becoming kind of compromised.

Then in 2021, working on Senate Bill 98 state legislation, defending the rights of journalists covering civil unrest and protests here in California, we were tasked with this question again by law enforcement.

Now here in 2023, we're facing another one of this industry's bigger, more challenging questions.

His portion of Williams, a journalist, I want a recent episode of the Real Housewives of most of these people aren't really married.

Portia Williams argues with Candace Dillard Bassett about whether or not she's a journalist. Portia cites her job, specifically hosting destination, a celebrity gossip show and contrast that with Candace's communications education.

While Portia says she's quote, not googling anything, which no God, I don't know what that means. She should probably Google what a journalist is except for the fact that she'd probably be justifying and saying such a wild thing.

You know, we like definitions around here. So by definition, Portia could argue maybe let's look at the definition Oxford says a journalist is a person who writes for newspapers, magazines or news websites or prepares news to be broadcast.

Miriam Webster says a person engaged in journalism, especially a writer or editor for a news medium. Wikipedia actually, while we feel how we feel about Wikipedia as a source, did have interesting language for the definition. It says a journalist is an individual that collects or gathers information in form of text, audio or pictures, processes them into a newsworthy form and disseminates it to the public.

The act or process mainly done by the journalist is called journalism. That said, I think the word that is consistent through these definitions that that really makes it difficult is news, right? What we consider news is an important factor in that question.

So Trevelle, I want to get a sense from you. Why do you insist that Portia Williams is a journalist?

First of all, that is not what I said. Okay, first of all, okay, and you go stop be smurching my name on this YouTube. Okay, and over the a waves.

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