The beginning was hard because she was scared. She didn't know where she was. She didn't, you know.

And the one thing that I wanted to do before I left for China is to know how to say I love you in Chinese.

And there was one point in time she was just, we were home and she was just screaming.

And I was just holding her so tight and saying, I love you, I love you, I love you in Chinese.

And then she would have nightmares.

And I would just sing Jesus loves me to her.

And it would just calm her right down.

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So today is an exciting interview because we have a mother-daughter duo, Vivian, in this conversation,

it's going to be a little different. I think what I kind of hope for is I want to get to know

Kathy Saul, who is no stranger to our daily bread ministries. And she has brought her daughter,

Kaylee, and to talk with us. But before we get into learning more about Kaylee, I want to dig into

Kathy's story and then how Kaylee came into learning more about Kaylee, I want to dig into knowing Kathy's story

and then how Kaylee came into Kathy's life. So Kathy, welcome to the God Here's Her podcast.

Thank you. It's good to be here. So will you share maybe with us, what do you do right now

with our Daily Bread Ministries? I am a project manager, which I love doing. God hears her has been the podcast and

the blog has been my project for a long time. Since it started almost. Yeah. Yeah. And I've loved every

minute of it. I also do project management for the Our Daily Bread Publishing team. Oh, cool. And I am starting to get some, like, our quarterly

newsletters, some fun other projects. How long have you been with Our Daily Bread? This is my 13th year.

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