Our mission is to empower the workers.

We want to see the workers take lead within our union.

We want them to run the union.

And that's how it should be. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Yazin Azlam.

Yazine is the president of the app drivers and couriers union in the United Kingdom

and helped us set up the International Alliance of Act-based

transport workers, also known as the IAATW.

Now, earlier this year, you might remember that the Supreme Court in the UK ruled that Uber

drivers were not self-employed, but were part of a worker status, which is kind of like

a third category of worker over in the UK,

that gave them many of the rights of employees. And specifically, the Supreme Court said they should

be paid for all of the time that they are logged into the app, not just while they have a passenger.

Now, Yazine was one of the lead claimants in that case and had been fighting Uber

for many years until it reached the Supreme Court level. And so in this conversation,

we talk about how the case came to that point. We also talk about how Uber's reclassification

of those drivers, two workers, did not respect the Supreme Court's ruling.

And we talk about some of the other work that the app drivers and couriers union has been doing

to advocate for Uber drivers and gig workers in the United Kingdom to bring them together

and also to fight these companies, Uber in particular, about other bad parts of their business

models that are really hurting workers. So as part of the gig work series that I've been doing

this month, I think this is a fantastic addition to that to get some insight on what's been

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