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Thursday morning, December 16th, 2021.

It is the Beating the Book podcast, Megapod live from the D, our home each and every week on the Megapod, Gil Alexander.

Mike Palm, Vice President of Operations at Circus Sports, Derek Stevens, Conciliary,

as always here at the D with me.

And Todd Wischnev from his mom's cork attic somewhere in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Thank you, gentlemen, for being here.

Our esteemed guest this week, speaking of the conciliary mike palm

he's conciliary as i mentioned for derrick stevens who runs the joint owns the joint circus sports

and of course the deep part of that uh can we call it conglomerate is that all right can we call it a conglomerate

do you like that word hey i guess you could say whatever you want on this podcast, but all right. Can we ever? Derek Stevens, everybody. Thank you for being here. I appreciate it. You were kind enough to come last year, your annual appearance. Can we call it annual appearance on the megapine? We appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thanks, Gil, for inviting me. Mike for inviting me. Todd, thank you very much. Honored to be here. And you have come equipped with your survivor grid, which I want to get to off the top,

which is you have got to be, because this was all you.

You were the guy who, obviously you have a hand in everything that goes on here,

but this was really your baby right

like you wanted to do a survivor contest

everybody else was doing handicapping standard five games

you guys do that with millions

but survivor in just two years has become

so awesome you've got to be truly fulfilled by that

well I mean yeah it's uh it's kind of bittersweet

in some ways I kind of uh you know I kind of like this year the way it's playing out and get people, get people into it. I mean, I've played Survivor for more than 30 years. And, and all the ups and downs throughout all those decades, you know, I've had some great, great sweats over the years. and I just really wanted to give an

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