This is the ticket. I'm Isaac Daubert. Well, since the last time I recorded a

podcast I have been in six different states covering the selection. Five

candidates have dropped out. It is now a new race, a two-person race,

and a race that looks very different than it did only a week ago. Rather than the

chaos of a half-dozen candidates you have a battle between two

standard bearers for two very different visions for the Democratic Party.

There's Bernie Sanders and there's Joe Biden. So since we're now in a more straightforward

race it seemed like a good time to talk with someone

who's run these campaigns in the past.

David Plough was the man behind Barack Obama's 2008 campaign.

That historic victory gave from a reputation as one of the smartest minds in politics.

A reputation he kept up with a great track record of winning races and predicting others.

That is, until 2016, he was one of the most confident voices saying Donald Trump couldn't

win, so he was obviously quite shaken when he found out how wrong he'd been.

He's since thought deeply about what happened four years ago, and he's now come out with a new book, a citizen's guide to beating Donald Trump.

I'm back in Washington, at least for a bit, and that's where we sat down on Friday morning. I asked him about his

process of reflection and to offer his take on what he thinks the Sanders and Biden campaign

should do now. Why other candidates campaigns didn't work and what it means for him that this is the most

important election of our lifetime. He thinks there is a very very good chance

President Trump gets reelected. Plough was in the White House the last time a president ran for

re-election so he knows what an advantage that can be.

Especially for a president who's shown he's ready to use the tools of the office to

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