Welcome back to Cafferrocast everyone. We have a very important subject or multiple important subjects. We're going to touch on today that we feel is something that everyone should listen to think about and chime in on and as a guest Frank and I have the super cool deadly non technically proficient Harold Fernbrock.

Yeah, I mean, I called a lot of things. I need to edit that and start over again.

You're getting better with the technical side of things. Yeah.

This is going to be about conservation. I guess it would be the big, I guess the end goal or kind of looking at it, but also the voice of bow hunters, tag allocations, springbear season.

We're going to cover multiple different subjects in this podcast. A lot of this Harold you brought up to me a couple months ago, month and a half ago, I started doing research on it. You've done a ton.

We're going to kind of bracket this from one subject to the next of everything from spring bear hunting to what is your local biologist do, how do they get their counts of the animals.

Are they flying a plane? Do they listen to the citizens to the hunters surveys, things like that. Now Harold, you've been involved since Christ was a kid and everything from counts to guiding to everything.

Yes, I was fortunate just to be one of those kids. The outdoors was my backyard and I spent a lot of time in my backyard per se.

I've got to meet some pretty cool people through this with a color of vision wildlife.

Kathy Green back when she was in the head biologist down there, I mean she definitely trusted my judgment and I did a lot of work for her down there surveys and stuff of the sheep in the south end of the state.

And a lot of that information that they got 100% influenced the numbers and that was allocated to not only archery but rifle and so forth.

Back in the day when I first drew that sheep tag, they had a rifle at the exact same time as bow. They were at the same time. They weren't two separate seasons.

I felt I had with the letters that I sent and the voice that I made was able to make some changes. And hopefully that that mentality with the color of vision wildlife, I refuse to call them anything other than COW.

I can't get used to know that they've merged with the park erect is that that same mentality is there that if we come in there constructively with some good science that we can get some answers.

And hopefully help them help us.

And it's a scratch your back scratch mine so that's kind of the goal. We don't want to throw anybody out of the bus but at the same time, if I'm being held accountable as a hunter, I think the government needs to be held accountable as well.

No, for sure. And I think that before we get this kicked off in great depths, one of the things that needs to be looked at is you can't really yell at a police officer for giving you a ticket for going over 55 because you feel that that speed limit should be 65.

It's his job to enforce that speed limit. A lot of the things we're talking about today doesn't really have to do with the department of wildlife didn't set these rules are said in legislation.

But as you're listening to this and we're talking about this. It is our job as hunters to voice our opinion don't sit on the couch and not make a stand or not voice your opinion not come up with constructive ways to fix problems because it's not going to get done just by the department of wildlife some of these it's going to take a voice of all the hunters to get things going spring bear being a great example.

And I would say maybe we start off with that spring bear. Okay. Go ahead. What year?

I've gone down to the and I have got a call back actually from Janet George. She called yesterday actually while it was down there at the DOW she was calling me back at my house.

And she didn't know I was down there. And she's always been a very good source to to run things through and past and afford you know some of my issues to the correct people.

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