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Good morning. This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's episode is going to be a longer one, part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice they have for the rest of us. So today I am delighted to welcome Gretchen Rubin to the show. Gretchen hosts the happier podcast with her sister Elizabeth Kraft. She's also the author of several books, including the Happiness Project and Better Than Before. She's coming to us from New York City. Gretchen, welcome to the show. I'm so happy to be talking to you, Laura. Yeah, well, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself

and what you're up to these days? Well, as you say, I'm in New York City, you perhaps hear a siren

in the background. You're the sirens in the background. Just give a little bit of local flavor.

So I'm a write, I do many things, as one does, but I'm a writer and I have a book coming out of the spring called

Secrets of Adulthood, which is all of the secrets of adulthood that I have learned the hard

way. I was collecting them to give to my daughters, but then I realized I need to remember

these for myself just as much. And so I'm really excited to be doing that. And then I'm also

working on a project about the empty nest because my

younger daughter just went off to college and so I'm very, you know, I think that the empty nest,

which Laura, you are very far away from this period of life. But what's interesting about it is that

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