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daring to listen. Hello and welcome back to the Bodies Behind the Bus podcast.

I am so excited for today's episode.

It is a little while in the making.

We've been going back and forth for a while

trying to get these guests on and I cannot wait to share them with you today. So today we have

Ruth Servant Smith and T.J. and Gracia. And they are doing a ton of work on their podcast

called True Believer. And they're actually reporting on a murder case, which feels

like a hard left turn from our normal content. But actually, it isn't because it happened at a

seminary. So I would love to have you guys share kind of like the very high level. What is this

case that you're working on? and why are you doing this?

We both pointed at each other at the same time. Okay. So the high level is on March 26, 1990,

and coincidentally, the day that we are recording this happens to be the 34th anniversary of

the murder of Elizabeth McIntosh. So early on the morning of

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