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Kirstarber, he's going to be down in Dover, unveiling a new quango,

he says he wants to set up if he becomes the Prime Minister to stop the boats. He says he's going to

invoke the powers from MI5. He's going to pass new anti-terror laws. And he's going to make sure

that the traffickers all get rounded up and locked away.

Oh, really?

Well, let's ask James Hill, political correspondent from the spectator,

whether there's any chance of any of this actually coming to pass.

James, a very good morning to you.

Welcome.

Good morning, glory.

This is, I suppose, what you might expect from the incumbent leader of the opposition.

He's got Natalie Elphick now firmly on side.

You know, she's suddenly decided that she doesn't support the Conservative Party anymore.

She prefers Labour in the centre ground, as she says. It's one of the more bizarre political

defections of all time. What do you make of this new quango plan of his?

Well, I think it's classic Kirstama. It's set up a new quango,

lots of legalistic mechanisms, and really, I think, a rejection of the Rwanda scheme and any

kind of attempt to the deterrent. And you look at what things like non-tory sources, what like the

national crime agency have said, you need to have a deterrent effect. And I question whether

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