Bates & Stokes

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4.8 • 11.2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Two women, Bates and Stokes, were LPCs at Pontiac Correctional Center outside Chicago. They were popular with their clients. They always had each other’s back. And that... was just the start of their problems. Plus, the story of two men who come face to face one night in the canyonlands of southern Utah.

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Bates & Stokes

This story contains graphic elements and mentions suicide and racism. Please take care while listening.

This story comes to us from WBEZ’s new season of the Motive podcast. This season investigates the hidden world of big prisons in small towns. Places where everyone knows each other and difficult truths get buried. Listen and subscribe to Motive now!

Reported by Shannon Heffernan

Produced by Jesse Dukes, Marie Mendoza, and Joe Deceault with story editing from John Fecile, Annie Nguyen, and Nancy Lopez

Special thanks to Adamu Chan

Original Score by Cue Shop and Renzo Gorrio

Artwork by Teo Ducot

The Incident At Poison Spider Mesa

The story of two men who come face to face one night in the canyonlands of southern Utah.

Brody Young is a Utah State Park Ranger and motivational speaker, helping other people figure out how to survive the unsurvivable. To find out more about his story, be sure to check out his website.

Produced by Joe Rosenberg, original score by Leon Morimoto

Season 13 - Episode 17

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0:00.0	Snap, judgment, studios.
0:08.2	Not too far down the road, from where I live, there was a notorious psychiatric facility
0:15.9	– the East Bay Hospital.
0:18.6	It housed all manner of people with mental illness and sometimes deplorable, cool, wretched
0:24.2	conditions, and when this place finally closed in 1997, advocates for the mentally ill
0:29.9	people.
0:30.9	They celebrated the Citadel of misery, finally forced to shutter its doors, freeing people
0:35.6	to seek desperately needed care at responsibly one accredited mental health institutions.
0:42.3	The only problem was responsible accredited institutions delivering mental health services
0:47.7	to a marginal population at scale didn't really exist.
0:52.4	And so a lot of these people had nowhere to go.
0:57.8	Similar episodes happened all over the country, sitting folk into a system unable to help
1:03.6	them get well.
1:04.6	And so today, Snap Judgment proudly presents Bates and Stokes.
1:11.4	When it was from Washington, either send everyone away or tell them they can sit down
1:18.6	next to you if and only if they don't make any noise.
1:22.6	Because you're listening to Snap Judgment.
1:28.0	Now our story, our amazing story gives a rare first-hand glimpse of mental health treatment
1:35.3	in prison.
1:37.1	Real folks talking in their own words about real experiences as such contains subscriptions
1:43.6	of difficult topics like violence, suicide, and racism.
1:48.7	WBEZ, Investigative Reporter Shannon Heffernan takes us into a maximum security prison about
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