Today, we are talking about using cognitive behavioral therapy to treat obsessive compulsive disorder in clinical settings.

Welcome to the Carlisat Psychiatry podcast. This is another special episode from the Child Psychiatry Team.

I'm Dr. Josh Fader, the editor-in-chief of the Carlatt Child Psychiatry Report,

and co-author of the Child Medication Fact Book for Psychiatric Practice,

Second Edition, 2023, and the other book,

Prescribing Psychotropic.

And I'm Mara Government, a licensed clinical social worker

in Southern California with a private practice and an avid reader of the

Carlisat Psychiatry Report. We were so happy to interview Dr. Robert Freiburg. He's a clinical

child psychologist doing private consultation and training on cognitive behavioral therapy to individuals and institutions.

The reason why I had hoped to get us together is to talk about office-based OCD-CBT,

so obsessive, compulsive disorder, cognitive behavioral therapy for clinicians who aren't necessarily

doing a whole lot of psychotherapy. Back in the day, we did a little bit more in psychiatry.

We did psychotherapy training, and I still do a lot of therapy. And by the way, the American Academy

of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry just did a policy statement that encourages

trainees in child psychiatry to get psychotherapy training.

But in any case, back then I got a little bit of training in cognitive behavioral therapy

in the style of Aaron Beck for depression.

And then John March came in probably 15 or 20 years ago with his book

talking back to OCD, which was a handbook for working with kids and adolescents and their

families with OCD. It's hard to find a therapist. The question I have is, is it possible for

general clinicians who are prescribers? And that can include psychiatrists, pediatricians,

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