Hey everybody, it's you all right from the Vergecast special episode today coming out early on a Thursday

Casey Newton Dieter-Bone and I sat down with Congressman David Syslini

He's a Democrat from Rhode Island. He's also the chairman of the House and I trust committee and

David Hanemar Hanson. He's a CTO of base camp base camp just released a new app called hey

It's a paid email app and they got themselves rejected from the App Store

Which kicked off an entire

Conversation about Apple's App Store policies its position in the marketplace

How much power they wield and whether that's unfair or not whether that's good for competition as it happens

Congressman Syslini has been leading an investigation in the House and I trust committee for months now

We actually talked to him back in January McKenna Kelly and I talked to him in January about that investigation

We reached out to David. I was already talking to Congressman Syslini's people at something else

They found out I was talking to David and here they are

They're both on the show talking about Apple the App Store whether Apple is a monopolist whether they're acting fairly towards software developers

This is a good one. They're both amped up about it

That a lot to say check it out David Hanemar Hanson CTO of base camp Congressman David Syslini chair of the House and I trust committee

David Hanemar Hanson you're the CTO and co-founder of base camp you have a

Lovely new email app called hey out in the in the world now

I was gonna say on the store. That's a little touchy welcome. Thank you in Congressman David Syslini

You're the Democrat from Rhode Island. You're also importantly the chair of the House and I trust committee welcome

So Congressman, I want to start with you you were on the show in January you have been leading an

Anitrust investigation for several months now into the big tech companies

What is the status of that investigation?

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