We're going to take a look at an article by Bart Irman, who will introduce a little further

as we get into this, is suffering a problem for those who suffer.

This is kind of a depressing article.

It's not an easy topic, it's one that we dealt with on the podcast.

I'll tell you who's not depressing, though, is a guy that he brings up.

Nick Vuichich, who was born without any arms and legs, who is a follower of Jesus,

and is so inspirational, has inspired millions and has a huge platform.

He's brought up in this article as we get to it in just a moment.

You know, Bill, many people think that Bart Irman's de-conversion

was due to textual criticism.

But actually, it seems to be the problem of evil and suffering, is that your understanding?

That's correct, Kevin. My understanding is that Bart did not lose his Christian faith

because of the discovery of errors in the New Testament.

He could have simply adjusted his doctrine of inspiration and inerrancy.

But rather, it was a philosophical problem.

It was the classic problem of evil that led him to agnosticism and finally atheism.

Bart begins this article, quoting,

I started this thread on a problem of suffering because I wanted to respond to a specific

question from a member. Here is the question in my response, the question.

Faith-wise, why is the problem of suffering a breaking point for you, Bart?

But not for Nick Vuichich.

Bart says, I looked up Nick Vuichich to see who he was and it was indeed a bit of a shock.

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