All right. Jumping on with me right now is Barry's Verluga from the Washington Post.

At Barry, S-V-R-L-U-G-A on X on Twitter. He's out in St. Louis where the Nats will take the field tonight with their new interim manager, Miguel Cairo, two days after the firings of both Mike Rizzo and Davy Martinez.

And in Barry's column the other day, he talked about at the very beginning the surprise.

And I was like, where's he going with this?

And then you essentially said, you know, and I could read from it,

but I'll let you describe it. Oh my God, they were paying attention. Who knew?

So was that the biggest surprise for you that something was actually done about this situation

of 37 and 53 and not a very good team in a year that they

hope to be making progress towards something resembling 500?

Yes, and I think it's not just about 37 and 53.

It's about the second most losses in baseball since the World Series title of 2019 and a big picture

failure in drafting and developing.

There's a lot of reasons, a lot of complex reasons that go into that, and we can talk

about some of them.

But making this move, or these two moves, forces the learner family to make some pretty big-time

decision, and decisions, frankly, that they haven't made more than once over the course of their

stewardship of the franchise.

So, yes, they installed Mike Rizzo as the general manager, permanent general manager in 2009.

They did do interviews with other candidates at that time.

But since then, other than role in person managers, they haven't had this kind of big picture sweeping change.

And I kind of always thought, and I think Rizzo and Davey kind of thought,

look, we're here until we don't want to be here because this is not a very engaged

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