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Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

Barney Frank's argument for incrementalism

Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

WNYC Studios

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4.4675 Ratings

🗓️ 21 May 2026

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Remembering Barney Frank and his recent advice for Democrats.

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0:00.0

From WNYC, I'm Brian Lair. This is my Daily Politics podcast. It's Thursday, May 21st.

0:14.4

We learned yesterday that former Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank has died at the age of 86.

0:20.1

Frank is a significant figure in American

0:22.3

history, at least for being the first member of Congress to come out voluntarily as gay. That was in

0:28.3

1987. I say voluntarily because one other member had been involuntarily outed four years earlier.

0:35.7

Barney Frank was also co-sponsor of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street

0:39.3

Reform and Consumer Protection Act, as it was called, which newly regulated the banking industry

0:44.5

in 2010 to prevent a repeat of the financial crisis that was underway at the time. Before

0:50.3

Frank's passing on Tuesday, he had actually been making some news in his final days by offering a critique of his Democratic Party.

0:58.4

As he gave interviews to the New York Times and others, Frank, who was Jewish, told the Jewish telegraphic agency, that news organization, that, quote, I held on longer than I should have, unquote, to the degree to which

1:13.5

he supported Israel. He said, quote, I've been talking about the importance of repudiating positions

1:18.9

from the left and from the far left. That's most of what we'll talk about regarding him, by the way.

1:25.2

But he said, but the Israel one is almost 180 degrees.

1:30.0

It's the one area where we are not doing enough.

1:33.8

And he said it should be what the Democrats are advocating is giving an ultimatum that Netanyahu

1:39.9

either changes things substantially in Gaza and the West Bank, or we cut off any aid,

1:46.3

particularly due to what they're allowing to happen in the West Bank, that it is important

1:51.6

morally and politically to repudiate the policy of supporting Israel's military activity,

1:58.2

unquote, from Bonnie Frank. But it's the first part of that quote that he's been

2:03.8

repudiating positions from the left and the far left, as he put it, that's been making the most

2:08.8

news, given his history as a progressive leader during his time in Congress. Now, to be clear,

2:14.6

he's disgusted by Trump, and it's not that he disagrees with the goals of the

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