This is beyond a reasonable doubt with your hosts, Mark Garagas, and Gary Smith.

Well, welcome to Beyond a Reasonable That. We've got a very special guest. But first

of all, Gary, you want to do the intro. And then I'm going to ask our guest who Gary

reminds her of. Absolutely. We are, we are joined by podcaster and professional Mike Holder,

Kate Casey here who I always love anytime we have on someone who's familiar with podcasting

because they always sound fantastic and Kate is no exception. Kate is the host of reality

life with Kate Casey and an aficionado on all things pop culture and reality TV and and beyond.

She has had Mark Garagas on her show before. She has had Dr. Drew on her show before and she

has had basically any reality star that you like on her show before. She is hundreds,

you know, over 700 episodes of her show in and has been a guest on variety of podcasts. And

she's joining us today to talk about all things. And by the way, and she's a keen observer of the

human condition. Kate, who does Gary remind you of? Albert from Little House in the Prairie.

Is that so specific and bizarre? But I have this weird thing. It's a photographic memory.

And so sometimes when I give references to people, they're like, wait, what? It's like, I see

someone's face and then it's like, I log it in my brain, which really helps with my job because

I actually, I also watch a ton of documentaries. And yeah, sometimes I like, I'll pull something

out and someone's like, wait, what? And they have to go back and check it out. So I thought it was,

you know, I've kind of had a dive or an immersion into the reality genre in the past two weeks.

Yes. You've noticed correct? Correct. Yes. And what do you think? Because you weren't necessarily

in that world. So now what do you think? Well, let me give a little background for those who don't know.

But we now have in our firm and with Brian Friedman's firm, we've joined forces and we've got

that force of nature, Bethany Frankl as a client. And we have started down the road towards

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