Thanks for listening to Reasonable Doubt on Podcast One.

This is Beyond a Reasonable Doubt with your hosts, Mark Garagas and Gary Smith.

Welcome to B-A-R-D and we've got our special return guest who's probably kind of competing with Jimmy Neutron in terms of guests, appearances, KFA, Karen Agniflo, who's husband I understand today is in trial with my daughter and has not been able to ask a simple question because my daughter is apparently doing some cross along with Jacob and Zach.

So I'll be interested to get the reports later today.

I'm hearing that Tene is doing the phenomenal job and everybody knows she's in charge of the trial so she's doing a great job.

Including the judge who apparently recognizes that she's the boss of Mark so it's a little inside baseball so I'll tell you that.

So there's one of the reasons I always like to see Karen but one of the reasons that I wanted Karen and I don't know how much inside baseball you can give us is there was a report yesterday that was written by a gentleman by the name of Palmer Amps who was employed by the Manhattan DA's office.

I believe when you were there Karen is number two and he resigned and wrote a letter to Alvin Bragg who was now the DA when you were there the DA was Cyrus Vance and that letter has been as circulated and the letter basically said that he believed that there was sufficient evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt Donald Trump and was resigning because he felt like he was being for lack of a better term.

Cockblocked on his presentation.

You're worried not mine.

And I'm sure since we're separated by thousands of miles there won't be a harassment suit here but the the I thought it would be interesting because Gary and I've talked about the fact that I didn't ask you last time you were on.

And I just realized some other prosecutors who while you were there had resigned now the Palmer Amps and I forget the name of the other gentleman they resigned after you were there and many people had asked well is this a political prosecution.

Depending on which side of the aisle you're on I suppose you can always view a prosecution is political especially when it involves a politician who is polarizing but I wanted to get your take on this when it first of all.

I was representing a defendant in a prosecutor was resigning I have problems with the fact that the investigation slash prosecution was still in the air it hadn't been closed and this letter was out there but I wanted to hear your thoughts on that.

Yeah so I'll just back up give a little background so Mark Pomerance was a he's a phenomenal lawyer he's well known he went to Harvard he was a clerk he worked for Paul white he was a nationally known trial attorney and then he retired after an incredible career he's I think he's 70 years old and he just he retired and he came out of retirement to work for Si Vance in February of 2021.

And I left a month later so we be very briefly overlapped really not at all and he came just to help and prosecute the the Trump case and everyone took that as a signal that there's a case because they brought on a real prosecutor to a real sort of phenomenal phenomenal prosecutor to to bring it home and he was joined by

the mayor mentioning that he worked with or was partners at one point with Ron Vashetti correct Ron Vashetti yes the Ron Vashetti represents Trump and they were law partners in the 80 said the 80s and early 90s so I know it's a fun fact that was mentioned there was

that that Si Vance brings on was first was Vashetti representing Trump first or was I have no idea in the DA's office point that all the world gets smaller and smaller doesn't it but

it has a fairly small place to begin with.

It is a small place but but Mark Pomerance is one of those people who is honest his credentials are unassailable he's respected on both sides of the aisle he's respected

state court federal court prosecutors defense attorneys judges I mean he's sort of a lawyers lawyer and so he's he was brought on to co lead the team with Kerry done

Kerry done was somebody who's worked for vans since I don't know for how long but for many years as the general counsel and he also worked on the

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