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Barack Obama And Bruce Springsteen On Their Belief In A Unifying Story For America

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🗓️ 27 October 2021

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Last summer, when former President Barack Obama and Bruce Springsteen sat down to tape their podcast, the country was facing a pandemic, joblessness and a contentious election.

And their conversations, they say, were an effort to offer some perspective and an attempt to try and find a unifying story for the country. The two talked about their dads, race, and the future of the country.

Those conversations have now become a book, titled Renegades: Born in the U.S.A. — and they spoke to Audie Cornish about it's publication.

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0:00.0

Presidents do different things when they leave office. Some paint, some build houses.

0:04.8

Former president Barack Obama is now a content creator with a multi-million dollar Netflix production

0:10.5

deal. And of course, a podcast. Well, it's great to talk to a couple of podcasters from,

0:16.7

you know, Jersey and Hawaii. I think it's really great the way people are getting in the business.

0:22.3

We're hoping for a breakup. Now that podcast is called Renegades Born in the USA.

0:27.8

It's a buddy project with Bruce Springsteen. Recorded last summer, the pair say they wanted to share

0:33.5

conversations that might offer some perspective during a difficult period for the country.

0:38.8

Our general attitude was America was going through a reckoning. We had to figure out who we were.

0:47.2

And part of the goal of the podcast was to maybe offer with some humility the sense that

0:55.7

there is a common American story to be had under all the polarization and division and anger

1:01.7

and resentment that had been fanned during that year. In their conversations about fatherhood,

1:08.1

race and music, they say they're searching for a unifying story for themselves and for the country.

1:15.4

It was part of Obama's philosophy as a presidential candidate and Springsteen told me it's at the

1:20.7

core of what he does as a musician. Music searches for commonality, basically. I mean, that's the job

1:27.5

that I'm in. You know, what the artist does is he tries to get his audience to experience those

1:35.4

common values, that sense of shared narrative and to take that outside with them in the real world,

1:42.0

let's say, you know, so as a musician, that's basically my job. Consider this,

1:51.0

despite a year of oversized challenges, Bruce Springsteen and Barack Obama are sticking to a shared

1:57.6

story of optimism. I do still operate on the belief that hope beats no hope, plan beats no plan.

2:06.9

From NPR, I'm Ody Cornish. It's Wednesday, October 27th.

2:16.4

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2:22.6

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