Bannon vs Musk: The battle for the soul of Donald Trump
The Story
The Times
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🗓️ 24 January 2025
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
When Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon labelled the new kid on the block, Elon Musk, as “racist” and “truly evil”, it hit the headlines. But what’s their feud really about? And what does it tell us about the two sides of President Donald Trump?
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