Balázs Orbán - The Uncomfortable Truth about the Ukraine War, “Remigration” & The New Era Of Nations
The Winston Marshall Show
Winston Marshall
4.8 • 660 Ratings
🗓️ 13 January 2026
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with Hungarian political director Balázs Orbán for an in-depth conversation on nationalism, migration, the European Union, and the war in Ukraine.
We discuss Hungary’s vision of an emerging era of nations, the collapse of the liberal global order, and why national sovereignty has returned as the central political question of the twenty-first century. Orbán explains Hungary’s historical experience, its defence of Christian culture, and why mass migration has been rejected as a threat to social cohesion and national survival.
The conversation explores Europe’s migration crisis, parallel societies, border control, deportation, and why Hungary believes Western Europe made irreversible mistakes. We also examine the growing backlash against Brussels, the democratic deficit within the European Union, and why Hungary sees itself as leading a continental revolt against supranational elites.
We then turn to Ukraine, Russia, and the future of European security. Orbán argues that the war has become a NATO-Russia proxy conflict, criticises European leaders for pursuing escalation, and explains why Hungary believes that both sides are lying.
A wide-ranging and controversial conversation about power, sovereignty, war, and whether Europe can still reclaim democratic legitimacy in a rapidly changing world.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
2:04 Era of the Nations and European Politics
7:14 Hungary's Geopolitical Position and Historical Context
14:28 Migration and Integration in Europe
25:29 Radical Islam and Antifa in Hungary
29:55 Hungary's Relationship with the EU and NATO
36:18 The Ukraine-Russia Conflict and Peace Efforts
45:57 Hungary's View on Putin's Ambitions
52:18 Hungary's NATO Membership and Military Presence
59:21 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Winston Marshall Show with me, Winston Marshall. I sat down with political |
| 0:04.6 | director to Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban, Belarge Orban, no relation. We discussed |
| 0:12.7 | amongst many things. The new era of the nations, as Victor Orban described it, and the end of |
| 0:20.8 | the liberal global order. |
| 0:23.2 | We discussed how the Hungarians have tread a different path from their EU neighbours, their |
| 0:29.9 | relationship with Brussels, a rather unhealthy relationship, it sounds like to me. |
| 0:35.2 | And we looked at how immigration is changing the continent, |
| 0:39.9 | the threat of radical Islam, and majority of the conversation was on the Russia-Ukraine war, |
| 0:47.1 | the hopeful ending of the Russia-Ukraine war, Hungary's support for Trump's 28-point peace plan, |
| 0:53.9 | and what the Hungarians call the pro-war stance of Brussels. |
| 1:00.2 | We looked at the realities on the ground, what the Hungarian perspective was, what they understood to be Putin's motivations, and the uncomfortable truth about this war that no other |
| 1:12.8 | leaders are prepared to say. Before you hear from Mr. Orban, I just wanted to say thank you for |
| 1:19.9 | your continued support for listening to the show. Remember to press subscribe and follow |
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| 1:32.7 | have the opportunity to ask future guests your questions. That's all at Winston-martial.com. |
| 1:39.1 | But without further ado, Belage Orban. Mr. Orban, thank you so much for taking time to speak with me here in Budapest, especially |
| 1:48.6 | running up to the next election. I know your time is precious. |
| 1:52.1 | Thank you very much for coming to Hungary. |
| 1:53.7 | It's a great pleasure. I was just at your prime minister's press conference on Monday, |
| 1:59.7 | and he started off before taking questions by saying |
| 2:02.8 | the 2026 marks the beginning of a new age, the age of the era of the nations and the end of |
| 2:10.9 | the liberal global order. I wanted to know as sort of the philosopher king behind him, as you've been called, whether you agree |
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