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Okay, so we live in an interesting world where we get this thing called

democracy through voting. Voting is very important, as you have may seen in the media in

Afghanistan or Iraq of the global war on terror. You have seen people come out of voting booths

who never got the chance to vote in their entire life with a purple finger or you've

seen people go during the days of you know early America and try to make their

mark to vote because we have the right to vote in America and so who I brought on

today is Angelica capsusis, former Navy, and also creator of Vote Right,

which Voting Software done right.

It's a very delicate world we live in, and I want to welcome you to the show, first off.

Okay.

Thank you very much, Red.

It's a pleasure to be able to.

This is both white, which is voting software done absolutely right, and the difference is in our democracy, as much as we love democracy, we don't feel that we've carried out the process much.

And frankly, we don't feel that our kids have learned to participate in the democracy.

And that's something that I don't think that any of us have been exposed to or projected when we're

growing up thinking about having our own kids but it's a major change that we were trained

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