It's the Brian Laira show on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone. We'll get some views now from

Orrin Cass, founder and chief economist of the think tank American Compass. He's also in New York Times and Financial Times, contributing opinion writer

and has an article in the November-December issue of foreign affairs

called A Grand Strategy of Reciprocity, How to Build an Economic and Security Order

that works for America.

It's a big thing critique of U.S. economic and national security

policy since the end of the Cold War that includes some praise and some criticism of the Trump

administration so far on both the economy and the U.S.'s place in the world. It also looks to me very

relevant to the official new national security strategy that the Trump administration released on Thursday, and that's been making news both in this country and around the world. We'll get to that link.

Oren, thanks for coming on. Welcome back to WNYC. Thanks. It's great to be with you again.

Your essay begins with a comparison of how the United States

approached the world after victory in World War II versus after victory in the Cold War. You say,

one approach work, one did not. Would you start by explaining a little of that big sweep of

history framing? Sure. I think it's important to recognize that, you know, any nation, but certainly one in a leadership

position like the United States has to have what's called a grand strategy, meaning how we

understand our place in the world, what our interests are around the world, how we're going to relate

to allies, and what that's going to mean in both economic

and national security terms. And, you know, I think everyone's very familiar with the Cold War

era policy that was typically called containment, which was the idea that, you know, there was a

cold war. It was important to recognize that. And the United States was going to

support other democratic allies, other market economies in attempting to contain the Soviet Union

and prevent the spread of communism. And I think we would say, you know, certainly that brought a lot

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