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Start your free 30-day trial at audible.com slash Wandery UK. That's audible.com slash Wandery UK. Music Good afternoon, Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. My next

guest is someone, this is the most awaited guest we've had on the show. I've been trying

for literally before COVID five years to get him on. He is the author of the network

state. I met him. He's used to be with a Mark Andreessen's firm,

CTO at Coinbase, I met him at a party,

and we had a long conversation and he blew me away.

And the reason I haven't said your name is,

I've been told on good authority,

it's a microaggression for a white person

to mispronounce a foreigner's name.

So can you please tell everyone

how to pronounce you name correctly? Sure, it's it's biology, but a lot of people whatever if you'll call me as long as I don't actually care

You know just you can get it out of your want, but it's biology if if if you if you mind

Well, that's you know, it's actually nominative determinism, you know that is

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