Digital borders and physical borders are like the same thing, right?

The gray firewall will be seen in some ways a very far-sighted thing

because it is digital hard borders.

I think that the U.S. can very credibly point to these amazing strengths that the U.S. has.

I think China can also point to these amazing strengths, namely these drone armadas, which are very powerful.

Chinese robotics are actually really good. And for the first time, tech America is actually taking China seriously.

I am going to let no one talk me down from my stance at manufacturing is almost everything.

What does it take to industrialize a continent in a single generation? In 1978, Deng Xiaoping kept the communist branding but rewired everything underneath.

Special economic zones became Shenzhen.

The Eastern seaboard industrialized.

By 2025, China led the world in cars, solar, ships, and advanced manufacturing.

That growth is real. But so are the cracks. Political purges, ships, and advanced manufacturing. That growth is real.

But so are the cracks, political purges, a property implosion, youth unemployment,

and a wave of entrepreneurs leaving for Singapore, Dubai, and beyond.

Meanwhile, America's trillion-dollar tech companies remain unmatched.

The question is whether software valuations in financial engineering can sustain a great

power, or whether the U.S. needs to rebuild its industrial base to compete. And if it does,

who builds it? Previously aired on the Network State podcast, Valaji Srinivasan speaks with Dan

Wang, author of Breakneck, about the engineering state versus the lawyerly state, and what

builders on both sides of the

Pacific should understand about what comes next.

Dan, welcome to the American State Podcasts.

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